Mariendistel während oder nach Orals?

    • Mariendistel während oder nach Orals?

      Habe in Erinnerung, man soll Mariendistel während Orals nicht einnehmen, sondern danach, weil sonst der Wirkungsgrad der Orals nicht mehr so gut sein soll?

      Kann das mal bitte jemand belegen?

      Wo liegt das Problem Mariendistel während Orals zu nehmen?
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    • "Myth: You should take Milk Thistle on a cycle that includes orals.

      While it will help protect your liver, the active component in Milk Thistle effectively reduces nuclear androgen receptor levels and down-regulates several androgen-regulated genes primarily by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR, and can also inhibit nuclear localisation of the androgen receptor. Milk Thistle will also have an inhibitory effect on the insulin-like growth factor receptor-mediated signaling pathway. All in all, there seems to be a reasonable expectation that this stuff is anti-anabolic. It's a real loser to include during a cycle. A much better alternative is Prunella Vulgaris, which has been shown to protect liver cells and activate the Aryl hydrocarbon receptor, thereby allowing it to work as an anti-oestrogen as well. As long as you're going to take oral steroids, you may as well take a liver protector that isn't going to hinder your gains."
      https://youtu.be/Fj47fuKDV9Y

      Philipper 4.13

      When you push yourself to and past your previous preconceived limits on a daily basis, you learn something about your mind and soul that few in our modern time understand.
    • Kommt leider nicht in Frage orals zu injekten, müsste ich nämlich dann 3x täglich ins Muskelgewebe reinhauen.

      Laufe dann in Nullkommanix als einziges Vernarbtes Ding rum, wo keine Nadel mehr rein will.

      Hab noch was interessantes gelesen:


      Milk thistle is a joke anyway, but this stuff treats what steroids do to the liver, (oral steroid induced cholestasis): TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic acid).

      Super long read but it is totally worth it.

      forums.steroid.com/showthread.…L-TOXICITY!!#.UFyVSUI7vTo

      Snip:

      As a matter of fact, using a liver support supplement such as TUDCA may even INCREASE the oral absorption and bioavailability of the steroid because it prevents cholestasis of the liver. You have to understand what happens in the liver when you use C17 alkylated orals. Cholestasis is defined as an impairment of bile flow in the liver. I don't know if you remember your highschool biology class, but bile is an extremely important component of the liver and of our body, because bile serves dual purposes:
      1. In a way, it acts as a waste removal sewage fluid for the liver. All of the byproducts (not all necessarily bad, but stuff that your liver needs to remove on a regular basis or else it will harm the liver from an unhealthy buildup) that your liver creates from all the work it does in metabolizing a bazillion billion different things every day, gets collected as bile. In turn, bile salts really 'clean' the liver out.
      2. Bile and the bile salts within it are very important to our digestion, especially of fats. It's stored in the gall bladder and then pumped into your duodenum (upper section of your small intestine) when you eat food to aid in digestion, as it assists in the breakdown of fats and such.
      Now, in a nutshell, what happens when your liver gets 'damaged' from oral steroids is: (and i'm not going to get into the specific chemistry of it for ease of explanation to the layman) the liver is overloaded from processing the C17 alkylation on the anabolic steroid you are ingesting. What happens as a result is that it causes a slow down of bile flow in the liver, because the liver is getting so overloaded with the processes it is trying to undergo. The impairment of bile flow in the liver is known as cholestasis, and is a direct result of C17 alkylated steroid use . When bile flow is slowed down too much (or has outright STOPPED), the bile salts, which are very toxic to the liver cells, will start to damage those liver cells. The key idea here is BILE FLOW, and you'll see this repeated a lot in this post! The liver needs to keep churning bile through itself in all of its cells in order to clean out the metabolites resulting from all of the biochemical processes it's doing every second!
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    • Wenn eine Cholestase eingetreten ist,wird man ziemlich schnell ziemlich gelb.
      Was der Autor da schreibt klingt sehr nach Broscience,IMHO.

      de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholestase
      https://youtu.be/Fj47fuKDV9Y

      Philipper 4.13

      When you push yourself to and past your previous preconceived limits on a daily basis, you learn something about your mind and soul that few in our modern time understand.
    • Comerford schrieb:

      "Myth: You should take Milk Thistle on a cycle that includes orals.

      While it will help protect your liver, the active component in Milk Thistle effectively reduces nuclear androgen receptor levels and down-regulates several androgen-regulated genes primarily by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR, and can also inhibit nuclear localisation of the androgen receptor. Milk Thistle will also have an inhibitory effect on the insulin-like growth factor receptor-mediated signaling pathway. All in all, there seems to be a reasonable expectation that this stuff is anti-anabolic. It's a real loser to include during a cycle. A much better alternative is Prunella Vulgaris, which has been shown to protect liver cells and activate the Aryl hydrocarbon receptor, thereby allowing it to work as an anti-oestrogen as well. As long as you're going to take oral steroids, you may as well take a liver protector that isn't going to hinder your gains."
      Auch sehr interessant.. wusste ich nicht.
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    • Der deutsche Freiname ist Lipostabil von Nattermann
      Es enthält Phospholipide aus Sojabohnen.
      Wirkstoff ist Phosphatidylcholine
      Das ist synonym für Lecithin und Bestandteil von z.B. Eigelb.
      Warum dann nicht das deutlich preiswertere Lecithingranulat kaufen?
      https://youtu.be/Fj47fuKDV9Y

      Philipper 4.13

      When you push yourself to and past your previous preconceived limits on a daily basis, you learn something about your mind and soul that few in our modern time understand.

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    • hey Comerford.
      Kann ich dir leider nicht sagen. Aber hört sich so schlüssig an. Müsste man mal, in der Apotheke fragen.
      Ich hab mir das nur gemerkt, von Dat, aus irgendeiner Diskussion.

      Von Tudca halte ich während der Einnahme nichts, da es lt. einer Studie auf Professional Muscle, während des Alkohol Trinkens und gleichzeitiger Einnahme von TUDCA, die Leberschädigung sehr stark erhöht. Ob das auf Roids übertragbar ist, weiß ich allerdings nicht.
    • DagoDuck schrieb:

      Kommt leider nicht in Frage orals zu injekten, müsste ich nämlich dann 3x täglich ins Muskelgewebe reinhauen.

      Laufe dann in Nullkommanix als einziges Vernarbtes Ding rum, wo keine Nadel mehr rein will.

      Hab noch was interessantes gelesen:


      Milk thistle is a joke anyway, but this stuff treats what steroids do to the liver, (oral steroid induced cholestasis): TUDCA (Tauroursodeoxycholic acid).

      Super long read but it is totally worth it.

      forums.steroid.com/showthread.…L-TOXICITY!!#.UFyVSUI7vTo

      Snip:

      As a matter of fact, using a liver support supplement such as TUDCA may even INCREASE the oral absorption and bioavailability of the steroid because it prevents cholestasis of the liver. You have to understand what happens in the liver when you use C17 alkylated orals. Cholestasis is defined as an impairment of bile flow in the liver. I don't know if you remember your highschool biology class, but bile is an extremely important component of the liver and of our body, because bile serves dual purposes:
      1. In a way, it acts as a waste removal sewage fluid for the liver. All of the byproducts (not all necessarily bad, but stuff that your liver needs to remove on a regular basis or else it will harm the liver from an unhealthy buildup) that your liver creates from all the work it does in metabolizing a bazillion billion different things every day, gets collected as bile. In turn, bile salts really 'clean' the liver out.
      2. Bile and the bile salts within it are very important to our digestion, especially of fats. It's stored in the gall bladder and then pumped into your duodenum (upper section of your small intestine) when you eat food to aid in digestion, as it assists in the breakdown of fats and such.
      Now, in a nutshell, what happens when your liver gets 'damaged' from oral steroids is: (and i'm not going to get into the specific chemistry of it for ease of explanation to the layman) the liver is overloaded from processing the C17 alkylation on the anabolic steroid you are ingesting. What happens as a result is that it causes a slow down of bile flow in the liver, because the liver is getting so overloaded with the processes it is trying to undergo. The impairment of bile flow in the liver is known as cholestasis, and is a direct result of C17 alkylated steroid use . When bile flow is slowed down too much (or has outright STOPPED), the bile salts, which are very toxic to the liver cells, will start to damage those liver cells. The key idea here is BILE FLOW, and you'll see this repeated a lot in this post! The liver needs to keep churning bile through itself in all of its cells in order to clean out the metabolites resulting from all of the biochemical processes it's doing every second!

      Dianabol inject in Öl zb hat eine halbwertzeit von ca 24 Stunden. Einmal täglich wäre da ausreichend.